| Posted on 5th March 2006 by Ian Duffy of Wisbech. |
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In a match last night player Peter went in-off into the black left corner pocket.
The marker took it out of the pocket and handed it to Charlie who was standing next
to him. Charlie was walking to the baulk end of the table, cleaning the cue-ball with
one hand as he went when the cue ball suddenly shot in the air and landed on the
brown, blue and a red which were grouped together against the side cushion. None
of the three balls or the cue ball moved very far and none touched any other ball on
the table. (There were only 2 reds left.) Because of the way they were
lying with the red and brown against the cushion 10mm apart and the blue 10mm
away from the brown and in line with it square to the cushion, we, as spectators,
had been observing this and discussing what would happen when the penultimate
red was potted. In other words we knew exactly how the balls laid before the
"accident" and could easily have replaced them.
Should we (1) have replaced them on the markers instruction and Charlie
carried on with his shot, cue ball in-hand, as if nothing had happened? or
(2) left them where they were?
If they were left where they were, (A) Was it a foul shot with 4 points to
Peter, (B) whose turn was it to play, and (C) was the cue ball
still in-hand.
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This would be called as a foul, as it would have been if he had (say) just as
accidently moved the yellow when placing the cue-ball in the "D". No
"Miss" would be called so the balls would remain in the positions where
they came to rest, and Peter would have played the next shot from the position left,
or asked Charlie to.
The penalty points Peter received would either be 4 points or 5, depending on whether
the cue-ball first struck the red, brown, or blue.
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| Posted on 21st January 2006 by Graham Prickett of Derby. |
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I've found what I believe to be a snooker score board in my garage but it's not a
regular snooker score board. It is split into two sides, on one side the sliders give
way to reveal just one star. There are 12 rows of these sliders. On the other side
similar sliders move across to reveal 12 rows of 3 black circles.
If you have any idea what this snooker derived game is called or where I can access
more information then please let me know.
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A similar question was posted here some time ago where I gave a short description
of the old English game of Pool that your scoreboard was made for. Follow this
link to read that reply.
You can find the original rules of this game within the
History section.
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| Posted on 26th December by Jonothan Dempsey of Manchester. |
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I just fouled, say by potting a colour when on a red, and my opponent amid the
confusion, picks up the cue-ball, thinking i went in off. Obviously it's a foul on his
part, but where should the cue ball be replaced? Is it anywhere in the 'D'?
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Is a so called 'side swipe' legal? Side swipe being where its not quite a touching ball,
however rather than performing a push shot, just side swipe the cue ball with the tip,
almost like a miscue, so that the ball only moves a little and touches the object-ball.
Looks ugly but most effective. a little difficult to explain.
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Yes, the cue-ball would have been played from the 'D'. After you fouled, your
opponent became the striker, and he fouled when he picked up the cue-ball.
This counts as "forcing a ball off the table" and the next player
has the cue-ball "in-hand".
An exception to this rule is explained in Section 3 of the rules, Rule 14, paragraph
'h' where, if the two players and the referee are discussing the positions of balls
that had to be replaced after a stroke where the referee had called "Foul
& a Miss", and either player accidentally moves a ball or picks one up,
then the ball would bereplaced by the referee.
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I'm sure you are describing the shot I've recently added to the Practise
section. As you say, it is a miss-cue, but a deliberate one, and very, very effective.
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| Posted on 11th December by Val Butts of Essex. |
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Has anyone heard of a bistoquet?
I read the following sentence on the
EABA
site and as I have ancestors with the
name Bistoquet, I am interested in trying to find out the meaning of the word.
"We have an engraving of a billiard table, the instruments used at the game which
include the cue, the mace and the bistoquet"
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I had never heard of this term 'bistoquet' before but found a definition in
"The New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards."
A 'Bitoquet' is an obscure term describing a rake-like instrument used to avoid making a push stroke.
Other spellings include 'Bistoquest' or 'Bistoquet' and is probably related
to the old French 'hoquet' which means a curved stick, from which the
term 'hockey' is derived.
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| Posted on 20th November 2005 by Peter Ng of Singapore. |
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In a snooker game with referee, with score difference 29 pts and all colours on the
table (27 pts), if the loser snooked the leader and the leader missed, is it
a foul and miss with option to re-spot?
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It could be, it would depend on whether the referee believed that a valid attempt
had been made to hit the ball 'on'.
Any player who was 29 ahead with 27 left would try their hardest to escape from
the snooker, but there could possibly be some extraordinary situation where a player
thought it might be to his advantage to 'accidently' miss. If the referee believed that
the player had missed deliberately, then a foul and a miss would be called.
If called, the next player then has the choice of playing from the position left,
or having his opponent play from the position left or from the original position.
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| Posted on 30th October 2005 by Martin W Rushforth of Barnsley. |
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A player takes a shot in snooker and in disgust picks up the cue ball and throws
it on the table and it hits and moves the pink and black. What is the foul and what
happens next?
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The foul would be seven points, the value of the highest valued ball involved in the
foul stroke. This behaviour could easily cause the referee to assume that the player
was conceding, and if the player said that he was not, then the referee should warn
the player that in the event of any similar conduct the frame will be awarded to the
opponent.
If the frame was part of a longer game, say best of five, and the player acted again
in a similar manner, the referee would then award the game to the opponent.
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| Posted on 23rd October 2005 by Rami S. Darwish, Kingdom of Bahrain. |
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Only Brown, Blue, Pink, and Black left on the table, and I got a free ball after a foul
made by my opponent on the Brown. I decided to nominate the Pink as a free ball,
I didn't pot it, but the Pink came in front of the cue ball and blocked quarter of the
next ball 'on' the Brown. In other words my opponent can see only 3/4 of the Brown.
So in this case is it a foul or not and if a foul, why?
Does my opponent get a free ball? and how many points the foul supposed to be.
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The example you give would be a foul stroke. Unless your opponent had a clear
shot to every part of the brown, it would count as being snookered.
So your opponent would be awarded a free ball and also gets four points for
the foul, the penalty being based on the value of the ball 'on' (the pink
counted as brown when you played it as the free ball).
When the free ball stops between the cue-ball and the ball 'on' it can be quite
obvious if it obstructs a clear shot being played. But the free ball can also
interfere even if it is slightly behind the ball 'on' as this diagram clearly shows.
Your opponent would be unable to hit the extreme edge of the brown on that
side as contact with the free ball would have been made first.
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| Posted on 16th October 2005 by Rob, of Newbury. |
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Is it a foul if, after playing a free ball, the cue ball is snookered behind the
nominated ball AND another ball - (in other words, if the nominated ball
was removed, the cue ball is still snookered).
On a similar note, with reds on the table, is it a foul if a player is snookered
on SOME of the reds by the nominated free ball and on the OTHER red(s)
by another ball.
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To answer your first question it depends if the ball nearest the cue ball was
the ball you had played as a free ball. The rules clearly state that it is the
ball nearest the cue ball that is considered to be the snookering ball.
So if you took the blue as a free ball while reds were on the table, and after
your shot the line of balls was:- cue-ball, brown, BLUE, then red, that would
not be a foul shot. But - cue-ball, BLUE, brown, then red, would be a foul.
The answer to your second question is no, not a foul. Your opponent would
have to be snookered on all reds by the free ball for it to be a foul stroke.
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| Posted on 25th September 2005 by Stewart Edward of Glasgow. |
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My opponent fouled and snookered me, with the black pink and blue left on the
table. The black blocked the blue, therefore I nominated the black as my "free-ball".
I potted the black into the blue and the black also went in. I thought I would just
get 5 points, my friend stated 5 points for each ball as both balls were "on" but
another person watching said this was a foul. Could you help?
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You should have received 5 points for potting the blue, the black should have
been replaced on its spot, and your break should have continued with pink as
the next ball 'on'. So you were correct.
There always seems to be some confusion over this, probably caused by the rule
being different when there are reds on the table.
Had your opponent left you a free ball when a red was still on the table, and you
had done exactly the same, potting the red and the free ball, you would then have
received two points - one for each ball.
But when only the colours remain you only get the points for one ball if both are
potted. The reason behind this is that WITHOUT a free ball, it is possible to pot
more than one red in one shot, but not a colour.
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| Posted on 7th August 2005 by Mike Gitsham of Knutsford. |
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At Dunham Massey (National Trust property) there is a Gillow's Billiards score
board dating to 1830. On one score index is the letter M and on the other is
the letter P. No-one knows what they stand for. Can you help us?
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They may stand for the two cue-balls used in the game of English Billiards.
Throughout the history of the game one has always been marked with either
one or two black spots, the other cue-ball has always been left unmarked.
These two balls have always been referred to within the game as "Spot" and
"Plain". My guess is that the letters M and P may refer to these two balls.
The M being the "spot" or the "marked" ball, and the P being the
"plain" ball. Unfortunately none of the very old books I have on the game
make any reference to marking the scores, and I can find no hard written evidence
that in the very early days the "spot" ball was referred to as the
"marked" ball.
But nothing else makes any logical sense. If these two letters were the initials
of the original owner or institution for whom it was made, you would not expect
them to have been placed where they were. So there are my thoughts, whether
they are correct or not I cannot say but I hope they will be of interest.
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| Posted on 7th August 2005 by Gregor Miller of Dundee. |
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In a recent doubles match I was playing in my opponents were 7 points behind with
only the black remaining. My partner fouled by missing the black which would have
then tied the scores. I had then said that because a foul had been made on the black
the game is tied and the black is re-spotted and we play the black again however my
opponent said that in doubles that does not happen and you continue to play on,
leaving the black where it was as the foul was made. Can you tell me if the black
should have been re-spotted after the original foul or should we have continued
on the black from where it was ?
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You were correct. The black should have been re-spotted, and the cue-ball played
from 'hand' in the next stroke. See the next question but one for a similar query.
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